So those that are friends with me on Facebook may be familiar with a recent predicament that had unbelievable timing, and not in the good way. I have a series of lessons that many of you can learn from as well as a detailed experience of the warranty system behind Liberty Safes and S&G locks.
First let me detail what I had and what happened. Here is my safe pre-issues.
That is a 50 CF Liberty Presidential safe. It has an S&G Titan Direct Drive lock. I could go into details now about the different security mechanisms but I will get to that a bit later. The way the direct drive works is you punch in the code, a solenoid fires, at which point you can rotate the outer dial unlocking the bolt.
As my wife and I were packing up the house for the first weekend of the big move and she discovered a few items she needed to put in the safe. She went out to the safe and then came and found me a couple of minutes later, “I think I forgot the combo she said.” Interesting, I’ll go and try. I walk out to the safe, punch in the code, no click, nothing, 5 seconds later it beeps as if it relocked. Odd, try it again, same thing. Try leaning on the door, doing everything in the list of stuff to do to get the safe open on their website. No joy, further I know it’s the right code because I punch in a wrong one as a test, I get immediate feedback.
So, we are on a time-table and we figure we’ll call Liberty next week and schedule an appointment with a locksmith and drive back out for it. Well folks, here’s a customer service fail and a lesson for you all if you ever find yourself needing to call Liberty.
Don’t try to start a support chain by email. I sent an email to their support contact and NEVER heard back. We turned around and called 24 hours later.
Have your safe’s serial number on hand. It is on the packet of information that comes with the safe as well as is on the inside of the door. Do NOT count on registering your safe to save you. I figured they could look my safe up as I had registered it, they could not. Pissed barely begins to describe my attitude as I had to drive 5.5 hours back to the redoubt in the wheat field, hoping I could find the packet of safe info with the serial number on it. Did I mention I was in the middle of moving and had packed up a decent chunk of my office? Luckily I had not moved that box yet and was able to find it. I called Liberty and everything quickly went along changing my attitude from pissed off to mildly annoyed. It was Thursday and the locksmith will be out on Saturday.
Getting into the safe:
The lock smith arrives Saturday morning and takes one look at the safe and says, “Well shit! That’s not the lock they told me was on there.” We take the dial off and try a new one. We bang on the door with a mallet trying to make sure nothing is stuck. Alas, my thoughts were correct. We get to drill my safe and they gave him the wrong lock type.
So behind this steel door are numerous traps and issues that can cause problems for people trying to break into a safe. What kind of traps? Ball bearings are the most notorious of the bunch. What do they do to drill bits I hear you ask? This:
We chewed up 8 drill bits that Saturday and it took us 3 hours to get through into the lock case. Ah but we got into the lock case! FYI, we did have to swap out for a corded hammer drill. Here’s a view of what those little bastards look like in the safe.
Another drill bit that died trying to reach the lock case.
So we’re in, the safe should just open now right? Well not so lucky. You see, the numbers we had for the drill point were off by about an eighth of an inch. We found the solenoid in the hole, but there was a vertical bar behind it too. Here’s a picture of inside the lock, you’ll probably immediately figure out what we didn’t know. A picture is worth a 1000 words.
So looking at that image you have the solenoid, the grey box with Summit written on it, the actual moveable part, the wider shaft, and then the fixed shaft it moves on the thinnest piece. The solenoid moves allowing the large metal bar to move up and down vertically. That brass part turns causing the bar to raise up. We drilled in about an eighth of an inch too far to the left. We were smack on top of the fixed shaft but didn’t know it. We then punched through to the back to see if the re-closer had possibly fired, it hadn’t. In so doing we had severed the metal piece we needed to raise.
At this point we decided to call it and continue at it this week, mainly so he could find the diagram I have above and figure out exactly what was going on. Yesterday morning he arrived about 9am. We drilled a slightly larger diameter hole to the depth of the piece we needed to manipulate. Grabbing metal that is flush with a hole is difficult. We chew up 3 more bits in that process. Then finally we start grabbing the metal but it still won’t pull up. I had the idea to find the solenoid and push on it some more just incase it isn’t actually clear. Bang!
So now that the safe is open, we needed to remove the old lock, patch and harden the hole we made, install the new lock and then we’re done. First we needed to remove the safe door backing.
Next we see the inside.
I have some observations on the interior of the door along with disassembly which I will get to later. But you can see the old lock in the middle. You can see the external re-closer to the left of the lock as well. You will also note there is a diagonal bar running from just to the left of the lock down to the floor on the right side of the door. First we needed to remove the old lock, easy enough, pull three screws and it’s off.
You can see something covering the hole. That’s because in this photo we’ve started to repair the safe. We’ve packed the hole from the back side full of a steel based putty epoxy. The from the front we add 2 more things with putty interspersed.
That is going to seriously suck for whoever hits that will a drill. It is a combination of carbide and steel and had to be tapped into place. Basically your drill bit is going to have serious issues with that hole.
But Barron, the hole is still there right? Yup and useless since I am switching lock types the position to drill out the new lock is different. Basically someone is going to put all that effort in and be disappointed in the end.
So now we install the new lock, this time a mechanical dial, the why’s will be fully covered in the end.
We set the combination and he even left me the key so I can change it again later if I so choose. It actually isn’t terribly difficult to do. So what does the safe look like after all that?
You can’t even see the drill point as it’s under the dial. So now that we see what all I went through to get this detailed review, let’s go over all the things I’ve learned, my observations, what I learned from the locksmith, and any advice that I can give.
As I mentioned at the beginning keep that damn serial number on hand. Preferably store it in a digital form that can be accessed even in the middle of a move. I still think Liberty should have been able to look up the info given my registration but don’t count on it. Just store that serial number where you can find it.
Next up, Digital Locks. Avoid them like they will fail you because they will. I got that digital lock after seeing better reviews than the earlier motorized version. The locksmith informed me that the reason the previous version had so many issues is they used plastic for the gearing in side and it would strip. They still haven’t altered that design. The direct drive overcame this problem.
(Well damn, I forgot to take a picture of inside the original dial.) If I had known the digital lock was made in China from the start I would have never done it. Figuring exactly what did happen would have happened further, here’s a picture inside my butchered lock for variety.
See that orange cylinder in the corner. Yeah that’s an electrolytic capacitor, my guess to keep the voltage up while the relay opens. Problem is those types of capacitors aren’t known to last forever, far from it. No thanks. I figure that the design is made to die shortly after the warranty goes Tango Uniform. I got luck and gone one that failed early.
Further they’re prone to other types of failures as well.
Here’s a dirty little secret that no one ever tells you. That 5 year warranty on your lock is from the date of manufacture, not the date of sale. Safe manufacturers do this because the lock manufacturers do it to them. A lock failure ultimately means you’re safe is getting drilled, thus someone is going to have to foot the bill. Liberty, like most other companies, and understandably, doesn’t want to be stuck with the bill for the failure of someone else’s product.
So again, go with the mechanical lock. While they can fail, they are considerably more reliable, especially when properly maintained.
The safe companies recommend having your lock serviced once a year. My lock smith said truthfully for most people it’s about every 5 years. It’s worth doing because there are a few parts that should be inspected just to ensure the discs don’t slip within the mechanical lock.
It took us over 3 hours with the proper equipment to drill into the lock case, total it was about a days worth of work to get it open given we were off in our measurements. That’s also given the detailed information of where to drill. Overall I’d say this was one tough nut to crack and isn’t going to be done by your average burglar.
That said the locksmith did inform me that criminals are now using gas-powered and battery-powered cutoff wheels to cut off the sides or back of the safe since they are not as heavily hardened. Jewelers safes pour concrete in and mixed with that concrete is re-bar, carbide chunks, aluminum and copper.
To give you a bit of background on my locksmith, he’s been doing this since he was in the Navy back in the 70’s. He’s worked on government safes, locks, SCIFs, etc. He knows his stuff and he pointed out that often good safes are destroyed by amateur locksmiths.
Remember, the goal of a safe is not to be impenetrable, but to buy time. This safe bought a lot of time even against someone who knew what he was doing and had the details in advance.
What has me upset:
Well beyond the fact my lock failed, which frankly doesn’t have me happy, is what I discovered as we pulled it apart and chatting with the locksmith.
First up is this failure.
Yes, that is a gap in the fire board. Sure there is another 2 layers underneath but it doesn’t inspire confidence in those 3 layers. A simple strip of the heat expanding tape would have worked well for that spot.
So if you look at the end of the screw driver you will see a small rod heading diagonally towards the ground I mentioned this earlier. This is to prevent you from opening the bolts on your safe while the door is open. However this design has some issues and can result in the safe refusing to lock. If this happens to you, feel around the bottom edge of the door furthest from the hinges, there will be a rod, push it up and pull it down to try to reset it. If that doesn’t work pull the cover off the door and look at the mechanism.
Further on the website they give the following fire rating with no caveats:
However if you look at the inside of the door to the safe you see the following:
So does that mean a larger safe should have its rating degraded due to its size?
Liberty does stand behind their safes. They took care of all the costs involved with this repair. Annoyingly had this happened in July I would have been on the hook for a lock replacement and the costs of the locksmith. From chatting with the locksmith, Liberty is a respected brand and my main issue here was that stupid lock, made by S&G.
Would I buy Liberty again? Not 100% sure on this because of those few quality issues I noticed and this was on a $5000 safe. I am going to be contacting Liberty specifically about the gap and see if they have any comments on the subject. Not to mention the lack of detail about their fire ratings. I will post an update if/and when they finally do get back to me.
Lastly, if you do have an issue, get a real locksmith. Seriously, someone who is well skilled and trained. Evidently many smiths won’t get versions of the locks to play with on their own to figure out how they work. If you’re in the Palouse area, I highly recommend Mike at George’s Lock and Key Service.
TMM is the owner, editor, and principal author at The Minuteman, a competitive shooter, and staff member for Boomershoot. Even in his free time he’s merging his love and knowledge of computers and technology with his love of firearms.
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