This one is still vague on the details though the incident type is not unprecedented.
*Now I watched the video, yes that shell is backwards but it was an induced failure during ejection.
State Sponsored Criminal Honorable Mention: John Doe
Because when you need a quick buck, just sell property owned by the public.
Like Tam said, I prefer to avoid Monday morning quarter backing, which actually is kind of hard at times with this series because one side tells a story and the other side usually refuses to say anything. This case though has some serious red flags. Flags that wave as prominently as this incident with the Seattle PD.
In other words the officer was incompetent, placed himself in a position where he either closed the distance to an aggressor, or he let the aggressor place him in a position with no ability to withdraw. Both of which are failures on the officers part.
This is merely an honorable mention because there is no indication that the officer was intending this outcome, then again there wasn’t with the Seattle PD incident. This however was in a building instead of outside where the interaction was much more open and the Seattle officer had many more options at his disposal.
State Sponsored Criminal Honorable Mention: Officer Matthew Jacob Marin
Because when you’re responding to the scene of someone who has been known to get a little off kilter, by all means close distance with him and let him back you in a corner. Sure it will be self-defense, but no one will second guess your negligence and how it contributed to the death of another.*
h/t Tam
*There are times where the SHTF and it just goes south. It is extremely difficult for me to believe that negligence wasn’t a factor in this case. My suspicion is Officer Barney Fife here was complacent because “it’s a dude in a wheel chair” and just ditched the initiative. His OODA loop response time was lacking because of it.
What a fucking drama queen.
Try doing it over again with a duty holster duty belt and body armor like a LEO.
They act like a police qualification course is suppose to be the pinnacle of marksmanship.
220ST – Post on AR15.com Thread
[It appears he is probably the one that also posted a comment here. My initial response can be seen here but I had a realization this morning.
From the point of view this video was done for it doesn’t freaking matter. Obviously this man is deaf so I will write out what I stated at the beginning of the video.
This came about because a reader of his blog said the LAPD qualification course would be beyond the realm of capability of most non-law-enforcement shooters.
I don’t wear an LEO duty belt, body armor, every day so why the hell should I have to qualify with it? The whole thing came about because of the reaction of someone who supports gun control. She argued that the police meet a high standard of marksmanship and that we wouldn’t be able to match it. I matched it, in my everyday carry gear.
Being a man of my word though, if you have a pile of duty gear you don’t want and are willing to donate to the cause, I will shoot the course again.
Further, there’s not running involved in the course so the extra weight doesn’t matter, the most is limited mobility, except there is only one stage that requires a draw so even then that doesn’t really matter
I do love AR15.com though, it does provide hours of entertainment and reminds me why I don’t usually bother with forums.
What ND? It may have been a mike but it wasn’t an ND. ND would have been over the berm or around the 180. Try again there sparky!
At which point a couple people join in with Spartacus-boy’s rant. I wore the hat and glasses because it’s easier than trying to find someone to do camera make up to take the glare off my head (I am bald, not by choice) and face. Sorry my facial hair isn’t what you would like either, didn’t know I needed to call out for your approval. Guess next time I’ll just wear a ball cap, aviators, a wife beater, and trim completely down to a goatee. Sorry I didn’t want to have facial hair like everyone else in the world regularly has. Pardon me for offending you!
At least a friend had my back:
Now there is one post that did get my attention:
If this wasn’t close the LAPD course of fire, please supply me with the latest version in the comments. As for LAPD duty gear and firearms, see the comment above and the goal. The argument is that every day shooters, who don’t regularly wear LAPD duty gear while carrying, couldn’t pass the course.
That said, I live a block from an FFL, send a duty arm to him and send me the duty gear and I’ll run it. Put up or shut up. If you’re willing to put up, contact me.
Overall though I was pleased to see the AR15.com thread for the most part other than the few outliers was positive and many were correcting others pointing out what the actual purpose of this exercise was. -B]
So Joe talked about it at the beginning of the month. I did as Ry suggested and put some extra effort into the video this time around. It isn’t professional quality by any means though my skills are improving. It was new unfamiliar software and there were tons of little features I wanted to play with. I’m getting better with Adobe Premiere, next is After Effects.
So let me start off with a rehash of what we did and why we did it.
Last January a reader on Joe’s blog commented about the LAPD qualification being exceptional and that since they have to qualify every month it’s stringent.
Joe and I weren’t able to find a detailed description however she did and linked us to it. Joe then set about making stages. You can find the stages here and here. At this point we had everything we needed to run “a bunch of beer guzzling, uneducated hillbillies“, many of them were the same as before, through the course and see how they did.
Now Joe noted earlier that we had a 90% pass rate for those who scored above 60% and he’s right. We did have a 90% pass rate at that score level, which is for qualifying in the dark.
Three people were just under the 70% mark, which is the LAPD pass requirement for daylight. There however is another difference I couldn’t easily cover in the video. You see the LAPD uses automatic turning targets for their qualification course. For them it is impossible to have a scoring hit after the time limit is exceeded.
We didn’t have that option, instead we had to fall back on USPSA rules and penalties for shooting a fixed time course of fire. What this means is that any shot fired after the second buzzer carries with it a penalty of -10 points. Note the highest possible score for a single shot is 5 points. So if you make up that shot the best you can do is be down 5 points if you hit an A.
This becomes a serious issue with single shot strings because most likely you will only fire one shot after the buzzer. You have no extra shots to even out the debt and you just continue to decrease the score. To give you an idea of how quickly this adds up, 5 penalties will result in a failing score. So if you have trouble with the 2 shots in 2 seconds and are right on the edge, there’s three penalties. Couple that with 4 misses on top of that and congrats you have failed. It doesn’t even need to be full misses, just the aggregate non Alpha hits can add up and shove you under, especially if you’re shooting a minor caliber instead of major.
I know that at least 2 of the three failures had penalties for exceeding time limits, I would need to get the raw score sheets to see exactly how many there were for each shooter. Though I suspect given their scores, if you change the penalty to -5 from -10, IE subtract just the best possible hit and just turn that shot into a mike, the three in the 60% region would most likely pass.
I think this quote from Tam puts it better than I could.
Yup, that’s about how I felt about the LAPD course after I shot it. Next on the list though is shooting the bonus course. I’m not sure exactly when I’ll be able to do that but I’ll draw up the stages and may do it over a couple matches. Doing it all in a single match makes for a lot of “standards” and much less puzzle solving.
Best part was, the dog was chained up. Hey officer, you want a clue how to not get bit by a chained up dog? First, go to the right damn house. Second, stay out of the reach of the chain of the dog.
Then you wouldn’t have to worry about the dog attacking you, and on top of that you wont look like an incompetent moron.
Unsurprisingly this happened in Illinois instead of out here in free America. The reason being is in Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana, shooting a man’s dog is a great way to get shot yourself. Shooting the dog here is like shooting a member of the family and is considered a hostile act. Shooting my dog gives me every reason to fear you as you just deployed lethal force on my property against my family. Any cop that needs to do that is merely LAZY and doesn’t want to do his damn job.
Lastly why was the officer going to the back door and not the front door? Again, another fantastic way to get yourself in trouble both with the home owner and their pets.
State Sponsored Criminal #414: Officer John Doe
Because cops are allowed to kill any animal they want any time they want. The key is they just need to say that it tried to attack them. Doesn’t even matter if it’s in a cage with a kid behind it.
Remember this is regarding investigations of people who already get the benefit of Qualified Immunity.
State Sponsored Criminal #412: King County Sheriffs Office
Because who needs to do a through review when deadly force is used? It wasn’t their loved one’s they shot right?
Last week I posted an incident from Moscow at the University of Idaho. It was a classic game of fill in the blank, but all the answers were known in advance. I know some of you probably though I was exaggerating how common this type of event is. Well wonder no longer.
Note how the Greek system was involve yet again. No word on alcohol yet, but it’s hard to think it wasn’t involved.
Now many would wonder why things like this are becoming increasingly common. The answer though is quite simple, kids now days live in a bubble wrapped world. Instead of slowly being acclimated to the realities of the real world and personal responsibility they are shielded and sheltered from it.
This quote from Caleb puts it quite well:
Not only are kids sheltered from danger, but adults who attempt to give their kids that taste of personal responsibility are reported to the police and arrested.
“Orange jumpsuit, in a cell, slammed the door, for 18 hours,” Cooper said.
The ages of the children involved were 9 and 6. I remember at 6 regularly going with my sister different places without our parents. Including down to the local park, and through the woods as well.
By 8 I was heading off doing things entirely on my own. My rules were just the same as Robb’s.
What happens when you shield kids from everything in the world? They simply don’t know how to deal with life when it actually shows up. They always figure that life is safe and nothing can possibly go wrong. For them they live in a world without consequences because they’ve never experienced any.
How nice is it though that the state is now trying to force everyone to live in the same bubble wrapped world. There is one saving grace about this woman’s experience.
(Emphasis mine). Yeah, you think either of those two children will ever trust the police again? They got to experience first hand exactly what government is.
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